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Accused Asian terror leader warns more blood will be shed
YOGYAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Militants will continue to target Westerners on the streets of Indonesia as they fight to impose full Islamic law, an accused terror leader told CNN.
Bomb attacks and other strategies are possible, according to Abu Dujana, who police call the most dangerous terror suspect they have ever dealt with. He is the military head of Jemaah Islamiyah, the Indonesian group linked to al Qaeda which has been blamed for the deaths of hundreds of Westerners and civilians.
"We will continue fighting and we may use other methods," he told CNN in a jailhouse interview days after being captured by Indonesian authorities.
Abu Dujana is accused of direct involvement in the Bali nightclub bombings of 2002 that killed more than 200 mostly Western tourists and subsequent attacks on the Australian Embassy and J.W. Marriott hotel, both in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta.
Abu Dujana, who police say is 37, admits becoming Jemaah Islamiyah's military chief, but says that happened only after the attacks on Western targets. He denies any involvement by his group. "We didn't do it," he told CNN during the interview at a secret location in police custody.
He described Jemaah Islamiyah as "an underground organization" saying "it will continue to exist and continue to move on with its plans" to create an Islamic state under Sharia law, despite his capture along with six other alleged terrorists earlier this month.
"When a part of it is cut off, [in this case] the head is cut off, there will be a replacement, it's only natural," he said, seeming to suggest that a new military commander will be appointed quickly. Among the areas under threat are the Christian communities on the island of Sulawesi that he says attacked Muslims. Indonesian police officers, he says, are also under threat, because the government does not implement full Sharia law.
Learning from bin Laden
Abu Dujana, who was captured after a four-year hunt in a confrontation at his house when he was shot in the leg, said he sympathizes with the goals of those he claims carried out the bombings.
He said he met al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan during the fight against Soviet occupation when bin Laden was a field commander and he was an ordinary soldier.
Abu Dujana said bin Laden was well respected then and helped him and others realize that it was permissible to kill people to defend Islam.
"I didn't read it in the Koran. It's based on the teachings of our teachers, clerics, especially what Osama bin Laden first said," Abu Dujana said of the tactics.
"Because of America's arrogance, many in the Muslim world know, believe, it's permissible to kill American soldiers. It's halal; it's permitted."
But while he admits Jemaah Islamiyah, al Qaeda and other terror groups have shared philosophies he said they have different methods and strategies. Al Qaeda operates globally, while Jemaah Islamiyah focuses only on Indonesia, he said.
And though it was permitted to kill innocent civilians -- and he had no sympathy for the victims of 9/11 -- he said that was not the goal of his group.
"I would like to see Jemaah Islamiyah choose their targets more carefully to limit civilian casualties, especially those who don't necessarily attack Islam."
Blaming Bush and Blair
Police challenge Abu Dujana's denials, saying that he helped fugitive suspect Noordin Top plan the attack on the Marriott Hotel in 2003, meeting him both before and after the devastating blast that killed 12 people and injured 150 more.
Abu Dujana told CNN: "It's true, I did have a meeting with Noordin before the Marriott bombing but that doesn't mean I was involved in the attack.
"In that meeting, we're just aligning our views with each other -- there was absolutely no discussion about planning any bombing. The truth is I was only asked to join the meeting. I wasn't even head of the military wing at that time."
Abu Dujana, a slight, wiry man who would face execution if found guilty in the attacks, smiled often while talking to CNN. But he was also quick with messages of hate, calling all Westerners legitimate targets because of the actions of leaders like President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair who he says are not giving Muslims the chance to be in power.
"If they refuse [to let Muslims rule], we'll continue doing what we are doing," he said.
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filjoot ::: Favorites
only 3000 killed in NY, bt MILLIONS have been killed, displaced and lost from the invasion on Afghanstan and Iraq! still the CNN dznt want to talk about that deliberately! cuc those lives mean nothing to America & the West!
07-09-28 01:20:20
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letmeinviteyou ::: Favorites
good point
07-09-18 15:56:09
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KilIndo000 ::: Favorites
Third World Indonesian Muslim Scum!
07-09-13 07:42:15
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veregeek ::: Favorites
WHY are you trying to EFFECT people?
07-09-11 02:00:36
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CatsupIslam ::: Favorites
I guess all that Tsunami relief doesn't do anything to effect these peoples opinion of Americans *regular people *not the talking head on tv* or his brainwashed cheer leaders the 23% that like be heard with allot of shouting.
My question to Indonesians is how much did the humanitarian aid after the 2004 Tsunami effect your opinion of us barbarian infidels?
07-09-06 20:09:26
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EGOSOULMONGER ::: Favorites
when those thoughts came to actions, the government banned our organization, locked up some of my friends and, due to my father's influence and my educational achievements, exile me here as a student! maybe you should write a book about our discussion hahaha.. just kidding! thanks for your time! don't worry, I won't bother you anymore! may the stars light your path!
07-08-21 04:46:22
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EGOSOULMONGER ::: Favorites
not all foreigners are bad influence though.. but I think we need to improve our mind, our way of thinking, our education and ourselves before we can accept foreign influences. Indonesia consists of many tribes, thus many cultures. sometimes there are a lot of war between tribes. we need to deal with our cultural differences before we can deal with foreign cultures.
07-08-21 04:45:22
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EGOSOULMONGER ::: Favorites
there are also a lot of criminal cases which are done by foreigners such as drugs smuggling, money laundry, prostitute trafficking and, in fact, the terrorists who bombed Bali and several places in Indonesia are led by two Malaysians, Dr. Azahari and Noordin M Top, they use our people as a living bomb! see how foolish our people are?
07-08-21 04:43:49
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EGOSOULMONGER ::: Favorites
there are also a lot of criminal cases which are done by foreigners such as drugs smuggling, money laundry, prostitute trafficking and in fact, indonesian terrorists who bombed Bali and several places in indonesia are led by two Malaysians, Dr. Azahari and Noordin M. Top, they're the brain, our people are only the living bomb! see how stupid our people are?
07-08-21 04:29:58
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EGOSOULMONGER ::: Favorites
I didn't say that modernization is bad, but I think it has to be done slowly and step by step so that it will cover all sectors of old culture. the instant foreign modernization brought cultural shocks into our life and made a lot of contradictions between our eastern culture and western modernization.
07-08-21 04:29:25
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